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Old December 24th, 2017, 04:47 PM
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thanks for all the tips guys, it dont help that my vision isnt what it used to be and being a bit tired and cold didnt help either. i will get them in eventually. i can't imagine tackling 1000s of them!
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We started using the Hot End system, which is basically a heated glycerin, to put up all of our tubing. Had it for 3 years, makes the job so much easier and faster, the two hand tool hasnt been outside since getting the Hot End.
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Old December 25th, 2017, 12:14 PM
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I use a Hot End system, but they are likely too pricey for beginner with a small system. To simulate one, try getting a small thermos and heat a mixture of 50/50 glycerin and water. Heat it to about 110F. Then as you want to insert fittings, just hold the tubing end (only about 5/8" of it, in the hot solution and then push it on by hand, it only needs to warm a few seconds. The mix can be used over and over again. As it cools hold the tubing in longer. When it no longer works, it's time to go home for a coffee or hot chocolate and to reheat the mixture. An alternative method could be a small SS drink vessel (mark it plainly so you don't try to drink from it) and carry it in a sock or 2 to insulate it. Then when it cools, remove the sock, use a propane torch to reheat, and repeat the process until the job is done.
A hot end system does the heating automatically with 12V heater and a thermostat.
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Old December 27th, 2017, 11:51 AM
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i just noticed this tool it has a flare starter cabled to the tool! i bet that will make things go easier, looks easy enough to make also!
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Maple flats, I have a couple questions? I have used the thermos idea with just water, why do you add the glycerin 50/50. I was checking my lines today and noticed a lot of my 3/16 lines at my main have come off. Is there a trick to putting them on. I did not use the hot water on them. I am still wanting to come up with my cousin to see your vacuum systems if thats ok. Maybe here in the next few weeks. Thanks
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Old January 2nd, 2019, 08:57 AM
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I used the thermos idea back in 2003, since then I used a tool or a Hot End System. I now use a LOAC 2 hand tool made for 5/16 but a simple, quick adjustment and it does 3/16 as well. My other 2 hand tools will not grip the 3/16. I understand they can be adapted but since I find the LOAC far more user friendly I just use that. In fact I have a second LOAC coming soon.
I don't get vary many fittings pulling loose, I can't address that. I now only use the LOAC, but when I used the hot end system, I mixed glycerine and water 50/50 and it worked well, but that was before I first tried any 3/16. It worked well, but required me to hold the end of the tubing in the heating chamber for 8-10 seconds. I then quit using it just because of that wait time. With the LOAC I can do it faster and can push both ends of a T or connector on at the same time rather than having the 8-10 second wait for each.
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By the way, you are welcome to visit by appt. My cell is 315-338-9646
How do you attach the lines to the main? I use 1" chain lock strap (like what CDL sells, but from other sources) and with it I cut a piece 7 links long. Then I hook it around the main line with a tail facing the incoming lateral. I then use a hook connector, attach it to that tubing and the hook goes into one of the chain loc links. From there a loop maybe 14-16" loops around and then connects to a saddle. That way there is no tension on the connection to the main, all tension is on the hook connector to the chain loc strap.
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Thanks Maple Flatts, I will definitely take you up on the offer of stopping up to visit. I use a similar idea at the main. I have a inline connector that hooks to my wire and then I loop it around to my saddle fitting. I didn't use my tool to hook it to the saddle fitting, thought because there was no tension I could just do it by hand, guess i figured wrong. Are you going to the Maple Conference on Saturday. I am going to be there with my cousin, my cell is 570-204-3822, if you are maybe we could meet. Thanks again for all of your help.
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Old January 8th, 2019, 08:35 AM
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Redneck Mapler, it was great meeting you and your cousin. You are welcome to visit my little operation. At the sugarhouse I will have the 225 taps I had last year, after I finish tapping at my lease, I will then as time permits add up to about 75 more at the sugarhouse. All added taps will be using 3/16 on level ground or from below the mainline with mechanical vacuum on the mains. Doing 5 laterals last year that way I got good sap flow from about 70-75 taps, all pulling from below the mainline for a maximum lift of about 6-7' net, but 49 of those taps (in just 2 laterals) then climbed about 12' above the main, crossed the driveway then sloped down to the mainline with 26-27" vacuum on it.
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I have been using 3/16 for the past 3 years. I just set up another woods with 3/16 as it has tremendous slope which should be great for vacuum on the upper tress for sure. I used nothing but CDL tubing for all of it both blue and green. The tees was a different story, most of them were CDL. I did use some Lapierre and some DG. Conclusion is that the CDL tees are much better and don't seem to bend for the most part when installed on the lateral. I had a two handed toll for 5/16 and added cut pieces over the 3/16 to make it work on the smaller tubing. That works okay but I also bought the Pruno two handed tool for 3/16 also worked better etc. If you don't start the tee into one end of the tubing first to start you connecting sometimes the ends of the tee will fold or sometimes the tubing will crush and not connect correctly. I just got a Hot Ends system set up and that could be the answer to some of these issues.
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