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For you guys that are using the sureflo pumps in your woods. Are you only using them with 3/16 systems or can they be used with 5/16 and 1 inch main line? I was thinking of buying a guzzler diaphragm pump but $1000???

I have two woods
1. with about 140 taps and very low pitch, 1 inch main line and 5/16 laterals and no power available
2. With about 175 taps much better pitch, 1 inch main line and 5/16 laterals and may have power about 100 fewer from tank

Tell me more about what a 12 volt sureflo will do
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Grazer I don't know how they'll work for the purpose that you're looking for but I'm also interested in the concept of doing this down the road.
In using the Shurflo pumps in boating the important feature is the run dry capability on any pump. The one thing is the run dry time allowed for the pump, is it for a set amount of time or continually? Some run dry pumps are only good for a short period of time till they start to burn out.
Just quickly looking at the different 12 volt models they have a draw 4-12 amps. This site has a wide range of different pumps that would work in a 12 volt setting and it's a easy to view the different models as there are many.
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Just wanted to add that there are pumps that keep enough fluids back to stay wet and preventing the run dry problem, this might be the way they're designed so as more fluid is introduced it's discharged and keeping the required amount in reserve.
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If you install a bypass with valve, you can keep your pump wet. As others have metioned in other post, the bypass can be slowed or shut off as your flow gets stronger.

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If you install a bypass with valve, you can keep your pump wet. As others have metioned in other post, the bypass can be slowed or shut off as your flow gets stronger.

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not to sure exactly how to built this. Any more explanation would be helpful????
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Last year I had 101 on 5/16 and 1" main. Had about 900 ft of mainline with 1.8% slope. Pulled about 23-25" regularly. When no sap in pump it only pulls about 12-15" but as soon as the pump has liquid trickling in it starts pulling good.

This year I have added to this mainline to increase tap count to 145 with a sap ladder. Turning on the pump this afternoon so I can't comment on the success by adding these taps. This bush will now have around 1300' of mainline so I'm a little worried I'm asking a lot out of this little pump but we'll see.

A friend of mine bought a double guzzler this year, tapping about 500 taps with 2500' of mainline, but also has yet to turn it on. He's tapping this weekend so we both should know if they work after this weekend.

My thought on low slope though is the lower the better. I like to keep a little fluid in the pump at all times so it seemed to work well with the low slope. Nearing the pump I have probably around 1% (or less) slope just to keep the diaphragm wet at all times.


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For you guys that are using the sureflo pumps in your woods. Are you only using them with 3/16 systems or can they be used with 5/16 and 1 inch main line? I was thinking of buying a guzzler diaphragm pump but $1000???

I have two woods
1. with about 140 taps and very low pitch, 1 inch main line and 5/16 laterals and no power available
2. With about 175 taps much better pitch, 1 inch main line and 5/16 laterals and may have power about 100 fewer from tank

Tell me more about what a 12 volt sureflo will do
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Do you have any type of bypass or check valve at the pump? Or is it attached directly to the main line?
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No bypass or check valve. Plumbed right into the pump.

I found a 1" barb x 1/2" NPT fitting and use a 1/2" union to attach to the strainer. So my 1" line comes within 3" from the pump head.

That's the downfall of the Shurflo, you are necking down a 1" line to a 1/2" inside diameter hole at the pump head. That's why I'm not sure about the 140 taps this year.

I can send pictures later today if you would like to see what I have going on, just PM me your email.



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For a bypass you add a tee before the pump, or strainer if you have one. The tee goes in the line coming in to the pump, the third barb is for a valve to regulate or shut off the bypass which sucks sap from the tank to wet the pump during a low flow. I use this line to allow sap to continue flowing after the pump is shut off before freezing up. Most of the time they are shut during a flow.

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For a bypass you add a tee before the pump, or strainer if you have one. The tee goes in the line coming in to the pump, the third barb is for a valve to regulate or shut off the bypass which sucks sap from the tank to wet the pump during a low flow. I use this line to allow sap to continue flowing after the pump is shut off before freezing up. Most of the time they are shut during a flow.

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my recirculation loop as i call it was simple drilling a saddle into the main line and dropping a piece of 5/16 to the bottom of the tank. I did add a small insert valve into the 5/16 tubing to cut back the amount of flow into the pump for the good run days.
i ran a 4008 on 65ish taps with 1 inch main. before adding the loop I would only pull 18-19 inches, but once the loop was added I was consistently in the 24-25 range, and was sure that the 5 gpm the pump was rated for was more than adequate for the flow I was going to see.
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Just hooked up a 2088 to my 6 - 3/16 lines that I ran this year. Pulled in about 125 gallons on 140 taps before the pump today. I only have 35 feet of drop so most taps don't get great vacuum but I knew it would help using the 3/16. I decided tonight when I got home from a trip that I would hook up the pump to a manifold(only Chuck can appreciate the plumbing job I did) . I started pump at 10 pm and went from 22" at the end of the lines and a light trickle in to 28" at the ends and a gallon every 7.5 mins. I don't have a gauge for the manifold yet but at least all the taps should have better vac now

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