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Old July 14th, 2017, 11:23 AM
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We need a pump to transfer sap from our collection tank out to our cook shack - a distance of about 650 feet. Our idea is to pump it up about half that distance and let it gravity-feed the rest of the way so we need a pump capable of pumping from ground level to a point about ten feet high and 300 feet distant. We've been told a simple trash pump won't do it so need to find a pump with the needed capability. Would appreciate any comments or suggestions. Thank you.
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A trash or water transfer pump should suffice. A 1" Honda transfer pump can push a column of water 121 feet high. At zero TDH it can move 32 GPM. The 10 feet of lift and 600ft+ of pumping distance will reduce the flow rate so you'll need to check the pump curves to see the flow you'll get out the other end.

https://powerequipment.honda.com/pumps/models/wx10
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Thank you for your response. My son-in-law and I have set up a small vacuum system and thought we could pump the sap out by going straight up about 20 feet with a trash pump and then letting gravity take over. This proved easier said than done so now we're thinking about the method I described. We have a 1-1/4" line in place and I wonder if the wx15 1-1/2" might be the way to go. Thanks again.

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Thank you for your response. My son-in-law and I have set up a small vacuum system and thought we could pump the sap out by going straight up about 20 feet with a trash pump and then letting gravity take over. This proved easier said than done so now we're thinking about the method I described. We have a 1-1/4" line in place and I wonder if the wx15 1-1/2" might be the way to go. Thanks again.

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Is the building heated with power? If so, an electric releaser is the way to go.

When it was super wet last spring we couldn't gather one of our tanks because the tractor and wagon was getting bogged down coming up the hill. We set up a 1.25" line about 300 feet long on the ground from the pump house to the top of the hill - maybe a 30 foot rise. Our wx20 pump is reduced down to 1.25" (don't ask why - Dad did it that way) and had no problems pumping 350 gallons to the top in probably 10 minutes.
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Sounds like that's the pump for us. Thanks again.

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I just purchased a wx15. Twice the volume as the wx10. I went from. 100 taps on 5/16 last spring to 350 for this spring


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The wx15 has shown to be the best all around. So much more performance than the 10 but not a lot heavier. The wx20 will pump bigger volume, but is just large and heavy enough to dig into your knee while carrying any distance. And as mentioned above, most folks aren't pumping 2 inch line, so will need to be necked down anyway.

We use wx15s for forest fires and have pumped out of a mud hole for 1,000 feet, over hills, with Ys along the way for several attack lines. As long as the folks on the knob don't get foolish, enough water is delivered for knock down and overhaul.

The only cautions on these pumps would be to get the most flexible hard suction, or just don't coil it up for long periods, especially in cold weather, just because these pumps are very light and a stiff hard suction will tend to tip them over. Due to being 4 stroke, at only a slight tilt the low oil switch will shut them down.

Also, the drain and prime caps are nylon with a rubber gasket. These only need to be tightened until the drain makes contact with the rubber gasket. Any tighter and the drain caps will distort and then you need pliers every time until you special order a new set.

Also, be sure to open both the drain and the prime hole when draining for cold weather storage. These pumps are dry/self priming, and this is accomplished by having both the suction and discharge ports equipped with spring loaded clappers. Because these clappers are rubber coated and seal very well, just opening the drain sometimes only lets out about half of the water. Because it is only half full it doesn't brake anything, but you can't start it because the impeller is fast to the volute.

And finally, just because they claim self priming, doesn't mean that it is good for the pump. At anything over a 5 foot lift, it just takes so long to prime that I have always felt that we are taking years away from the life of the shaft seal and bearing that need to be liquid cooled. Just a little water will accomplish prime very fast.
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