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Hi there,

Just heading into my RO build, and have gone through a ton of the threads on here to find a good "how-to". There's a ton of great info, but it seems to be spread around throughout.

Can someone direct me to a good previous thread that really lays out all the parts, build process etc?

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check for a thread on home built equipment by 3%, he had a good lay out
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this thread as nearly everything you need. I followed this one when I built ours.

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this thread as nearly everything you need. I followed this one when I built ours.

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I also followed that one, but check around here and MapleTrader for others' work. Many people have done very nice builds and it's worth to check out the designs and configurations to find one you like and that will work for you.

Mine does have wheels but it's a wood frame and it's bulky. I would consider a metal frame that starts out as a hand truck.
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Since I started with one membrane, then 2 , then last year 3 , one thing I have learned with the xle membranes is to get your flows up. Keeping the membranes flushed helps considerably. I run around 9-10 gpm thru 3 membranes in series and I just stop when it gets to 12 %. The flow doesn't taper off nearly as much when I was using a lower gpm high pressure pump.
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Thanks for the tips so far everyone. I've got three Dow-Filmtec-TW30-2540 membranes & canisters, a Leeson 1HP motor, standard pressure pump etc. that are forming the basis for the system. First thing's to get it running, so I'm off to get the Procon Series 5 as well as all the fittings that I need.

I have kiln PLC controls that are sitting on the shelf that I may put into use once I get the manual operation of it underway.

We're looking at the first run in 7 days up here, so I best get at er
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Sheffield ......
Just remember a lot of the design is dictated to your needs ......
Which is great ......
An RO is fun to build and is a nice feeling when it does what you want it to do ....
Have fun at it .......
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Thanks for the notes back everyone!

So I'm going to start with two of the DOW Filmtec TW30-2540 2 1/2" x 40" RO Membranes rated for 1000 GPD each, and intend to hook them up in series (if this is the best way).

Do you think that I'm on the right track to expect that with the Procon Series 5 and all the right pressures, flows and valve settings etc. that I'd be able to reduce down 500 gal of sap to about 160 gal of concentrate in 6 hours of it operating in a loop system (as opposed to straight through)?

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In terms of the build, we put up white PVC sheet wall panels in the new saphouse, so I'm taking a 4x6 sheet of 16ga metal, painting bright white, and then building the system supports out of steel HSS. Most of the "guts" will be hidden behind this white steel panel, and then I'm cutting through to flush mount all the controls, gauges etc. This panel size allows me to set it up for expansion in the future, and also allows me to roll the whole rig out and put it onto the forklift for major re-do's.

Up here the forecast is that we're looking at the first run in 7 days. Man oh man I gotta get crackin'
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Sheffield .....
Remember also the rating is for water .....
You will get half or less with sap ....
These membranes are designed for water purification ... not for sap ....
The maple industry bastardized the purification of water for the maple industry ....
If yours operates like ours you should be able to go through 80 gph ..... however. we have XLE membranes ... so not sure how they compare to yours ... same size though 2540's ....
You cannot allow the membranes to freeze ... they must be kept warm ..... so heat is a must ...
We have a Pro-Con Series 2 which is fine for 140 gpm ...... your Pro - Con gives you room for expansion also .....
Yes ... set them up in series ......
get a couple of flow meters so you can see what you are doing ..... one flow meter with straight through ... the other with a needle valve for the concentrate ......
It's all about sap residency in the vessel under pressure ...... the longer it's in there under pressure the more water you will dump .....
Keep the permeate of at least your hourly processing rate for the rinse when you are done .......
Hope this helps ...
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