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Well I 'very had my electric 250 for about 3yr. now or seasons this being the 4th one. I keep mine in the garage where I keep the heat on all winter , low but heated . I cover it and keep a light under it for precaution.
My problem is over the years the preservative corroded the bottom fitting for the drain hose exits and leaked all over the place the other day. So I took the SS wash tank out and found they used a copper fitting on a stainless steel tank! They cut a piece of male x pipe slip & cut it in 4 legs then bent them over the hole and soldered it then connect to drain hose . Told Ray about it and it's all my fault for leaving preserve in tank all winter . I didn't follow the instructions! He says they say drain the tank and pump after you circulate it for a couple minutes. My instructions do not say anything of the sort . And I complained about the black color in the tank the previous year's he said it was nothing to worry about.Just recirculate the pump a few times during the winter months and the President filter will filter it out .So I think all that time it was the metal being eaten up . That's why you use a doe electric fitting on hot water tanks . I wish I seen this when I was plumbing the other stuff on it I would have changed it out. The top fitting is the same way but never is constantly in contact with water.
What do your instructions say for end of year storage.
Sorry so long. Replace your bottom fitting now!!!
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Old January 20th, 2017, 01:33 PM
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Why would you keep preservative in the wash tank? I hope you didn't keep the pumps and hoses full of it as well. If so you might end up with bigger problems than a tank fitting.
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Why would you keep preservative in the wash tank? I hope you didn't keep the pumps and hoses full of it as well. If so you might end up with bigger problems than a tank fitting.
Why would anybody know? Instructions that come with most maple equipment suck at best.
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Why would you keep preservative in the wash tank? I hope you didn't keep the pumps and hoses full of it as well. If so you might end up with bigger problems than a tank fitting.
Then Instructions never tell you to empty the the tank and drain it . And like I said I would go out and recirculate the preservative in the winter every 4wks or so .I even told Ray that in prior yrs. when I was concerned about the black color in the tank. He said I should have to do it just wait till spring and do it once. And he knew then I was keeping the tank full of preservative but never shared with me that I should have been draining it.
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I hope your pumps are ok. With preservative, you only leave it in the membrane vessel, flush everything else out. You dont need to recirulate it. Some of us dont use presrvative. This is when you need to recirulate water though the membrane periodically.
You can make a storage container for the membrane out of 4" sch40 pvc. This will allow you to store the membrane in a warm location without keeping the entire ro heated. It will also allow you to flush the entire ro so there are no residual chemicals hurting it while in 8 month storage.
As for the wash tank, they used to outsource them to another amish shop.
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I hope your pumps are ok. With preservative, you only leave it in the membrane vessel, flush everything else out. You dont need to recirulate it. Some of us dont use presrvative. This is when you need to recirulate water though the membrane periodically.
You can make a storage container for the membrane out of 4" sch40 pvc. This will allow you to store the membrane in a warm location without keeping the entire ro heated. It will also allow you to flush the entire ro so there are no residual chemicals hurting it while in 8 month storage.
As for the wash tank, they used to outsource them to another amish shop.
Then out source part he did tell me that the other day. I just couldn't understand why they did it that way doesn't make sense to me. I would have just put a ss nipped through the hole sodered or ? and been done. Put a femalex hose barb fitting on it your good to go . Anyways I was just putting it out there in case someone else is in the same boat.
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They solder the fitting in that manner so that it is stronger for connecting pipe to the threads.
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They solder the fitting in that manner so that it is stronger for connecting pipe to the threads.
All it is , is a 1" ID or 1 1/4" ID reinforced tubing that goes straight down to the intake pump . Doesn't have to be supper reinforced it's not doing anything as far as weight baring or being pulled up or down. If it's not supposed to hold any liquid for any amount of time for crying out loud put a bulkhead fitting in it . I mean you can defend their decision and I can find ways to do it different I guess but that's not what I want to do. I'm just trying to get the word out what happened to me so maybe it prevents it from not happening to someone else. Seeing that the instructions for the units are so vague and some times guys who are not knowing what their getting into and do what I've been doing.
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I had a similar issue. This past year, like all since it was new, I followed the instructions after the season and at the acid wash stage, I let it set or 3-4weeks with acid it the membranes and in the wash tank. Then at 4 weeks went to drain it and discovered that I had 3 pin holes in the solder holding the bottom copper fitting in the bottom of the wash tank. I had to fix the tank. I'm running on the repaired tank this season but I'm going to get a new tank built for next year with the 1" drain fitting welded in, no solder.
The instructions do not say to drain the tank after pumping the acid wash into the membranes, but I should have known better.
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(The instructions do not say to drain the tank after pumping the acid wash into the membranes, but I should have known better.)Mapleflats

Thanks for posting this part. I was beginning to think I was the only one that has instructions that do not say empty tank after each step of endcap of the season procedure, acid wash , and preserve.
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