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Old March 3rd, 2014, 10:59 PM
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so this may seem like a stupid question, but is a very honest question. talking to a couple salesman the other day and I bought this question to a response from them "we'll have to check with corporate" here is the question
(What kind of water do I use to rinse out my membrane at the beginning of the season???)
now i know this has been asked but can't find the thread
me: can I use village water
them: no
me : can I use water from the pond
them : no
me : can I use well water
them: has to be low in iron
me: I have a softener to help with high iron in the water in the area
them: no can't use softened water
me: so I can't use pond water, can't use municipal water, can't use well water, can't use softened water them what do I use
them: distilled water from RO
me: Huh?????? and how do I get distilled water from nothing
them: we'll have to check with corporate
me: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so instead of waiting to here from these guys.......what do all you seasoned ro guys do at the beginning of the season
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I get my soft water from a friend down the road that has a well. I don't know what kind of water softener he has.
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We have a Leader Springtech 1,000 gph high brix machine. The instructions actually say to use well water in the absence of permeate. Municipal water has chlorine and some membranes can't handle it. We use well water. We're fortunate that we have a good well with good water. I don't know why they would say no to water from a water softener. The reject water from a WS is high in salts, but the water itself should be fine. We rinse with half the capacity of the machine, wash without soap, rinse, wash without soap again, rinse, wash with soap and rinse again. So by the time I'm done I've run 2,000 gallons of well water through our 1,000 gph machine. We do this for startup in the spring and shutdown at the end of the season. Hope that helps.
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We have a Leader Springtech 1,000 gph high brix machine. The instructions actually say to use well water in the absence of permeate. Municipal water has chlorine and some membranes can't handle it. We use well water. We're fortunate that we have a good well with good water. I don't know why they would say no to water from a water softener. The reject water from a WS is high in salts, but the water itself should be fine. We rinse with half the capacity of the machine, wash without soap, rinse, wash without soap again, rinse, wash with soap and rinse again. So by the time I'm done I've run 2,000 gallons of well water through our 1,000 gph machine. We do this for startup in the spring and shutdown at the end of the season. Hope that helps.
wow Randy....that must take some time to go through the regiment....i like it cause you are taking care of your investment
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Those are the steps right out of the instructions. Total takes about 4-5 hours (2 hours of rinsing plus about 2 hours of washing). Nice thing about it is you're just turning valves and doing other stuff in the sugarhouse while it's cleaning.
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With mine I run sap through mine and run it down the drain for about 15 minutes before turning in to the tanks. These are the factory specs. It is written right on the front of the RO next to the high pressure/wash valve.

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Jake, I'm going to use well water with mine. I figure the ro in the house has been working for years, I have a high tds ( salt , which is a dissolved solid) and it doesn't even have a rinse, wash on it and works great.

I'll run it, save some permeate and do a wash. What happens after that is anybody's guess.

Funny thing about the chlorine is our ro unit in the lab actually comes with chlorine tablets to clean membrane. As Toad said earlier, some membranes can't handle chlorine.
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I was told that the rinse cycle is the most important thing you can do during the season on a Dailey basis. Washes are important but throughout the day rinse rinse rinse.
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Is flushing the same as rinsing?

When flushing with permeate, how are the minerals removed from the membrane if it is not a back flushing? We're still RO challenged for the moment, but just thinking about the membrane being designed to reject minerals and sugar. If the permeate dissolves the minerals stuck in the filter but is flowing the same direction, why doesn't it just push them deeper into the membrane?
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What about boiling well water in the evap , letting it cool, then sending it through the RO? Not sure if this would be better or worse... Just throwing an idea out there.
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