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Old September 1st, 2015, 11:49 PM
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It is Smart Sketch. It is a fairly older version, got it as extra software when I got Photoshop 5.0 many moons ago.
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 04:01 PM
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I am just repeating what I have been told and have read. I have no hard numbers showing that the water temp rises when just recirculating the water during a rinse or wash. I have neither owned or have ran an RO before so I am again just repeating what I have read or have been told.

As for the temp settings for the water heater, I was going to set it at about 80 degrees with a RO shutdown at about 115. How did I come to these numbers you ask? Again it is just from what I have read and have heard.
I do wish I had prior RO running experience so that I could fall back on, that will be the next info I will be asking after I get this built.
Dennis, I've been looking at this and wonder why you need 2 temp probes? Is the second one just linked to a shutdown relay? If the vane pump doesn't really contribute to heating the liquid I was thinking one single temp probe in the wash tank is enough. I must be missing something.
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I designed the RO to be completely separate from the wash tank.
The temp probe in the RO is for shutting it down if the temp should go to high, don't want to damage the membranes and also for me to watch how the RO is running performance wise with incoming sap temp.

The temp probe in the wash tank is just for the wash tank.

If I had only one temp probe I would have to have some kind of electrical connection between the RO and wash tank, did not want to deal with that, and I also wanted to be able to warm up water if need be without having the RO up and running.
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I see, thanks. I must have gotten it a little confused because your PID is mounted on the control panel.
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I used 2 PID's.
One for the RO to monitor the incoming sap/water temp. The second is strictly for maintaining the water temp in the wash tank.

Yes, you could get away with using just one temp probe but for a few more $$ I felt it was worth it to be able to make up some hot water if needed independent of the RO.
See the way I have it now I can start to warm up the permeate when I have about 10-15 more minutes of sap to run thru it. At that point the permeate will be warm but not to hot to do any damage from going right from cold to hot liquid.
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This is the thermostat I used to control tank heater.


I use the same one on my water bath canning tank. You will have to have a relay with it rated to your heater. Also work good as a thermometer.
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I figured you had 2 PIDs. I agree that's a good idea for not a lot of extra $$. I have finally begun ordering parts. Mine will have quite a few similarities to yours except I'm only doing one membrane and I plan to use a PLC to control it. The PLC is probably overkill but you can get them inexpensively nowadays. Plus I just think PLCs are cool.
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So I got the same pressure gauges as you Dennis, but they don't come with U clamps to panel mount them, nor are they available. Did you fabricate your own?
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Yeah I fab'ed up a set.
I used some flat aluminum bar stock bent into a U. I made a cut out where the fitting comes out the center so that the bracket could be slid over the fitting.
The trick is to make the 2 legs long enough so that enough pressure is apply to keep the gauge nice and snug in the opening.
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Ok Dennis, next question for you:

How did you calibrate your pressure switches and to what set points (high/low)? Automation Direct has a video on how to do that but I don't have a convenient and adjustable source of pressure like the one they use. Any suggestions? I have the exact same switches you have so I need a low pressure and high pressure setting. Thanks.
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