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But it's not a "releaser". Why not call it what it is. Seems like a vacum pump to me.
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Hi Wiam,
The name is meant to be descriptive.
It applies vacuum and releases the sap. Hence vacuum/releaser.

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But it's not a "releaser". Why not call it what it is. Seems like a vacum pump to me.
Oh yea! Since it's a smaller diaphragm pump than the sap guzzler maybe call it the sap sipper?
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Its a pump not a releaser just like all my vacuum pumps are not air releasers. I just don't think mudding the water is a good thing. Its a good idea and product but truth in advertising is important because you be eaten alive alive when someone misunderstands the product.

Having worked on a product that was patented descriptions are important and must be proven. Words have meaning and somewhere in your application you will need to have the real name like ( self contained insulated sap pump)
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Sorry I find this to be a bit petty, but with maple syrup equipment comes many copies, twist of old designs, new designs with others taking it to a different level and this company comes out with a whole new idea, puts the time, money, effort, testing and marketing into something for lack of better terms "outside the box" or in his case inside the lunchbox I give them an applause and find the name to be appropriate in description. Its a lunchbox, its creates vac and releases the sap in to your collection tank of choice. So Lunchbox vacum releaser explains all of that. Kudos guys for thinking of something different and testing it before it got marketed.
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NO it pumps it to the tank. You have a friend that makes releasers just wait till someone bacterizes his product with a knock off with a catchy name.
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Exactly correct I have a friend who builds releaser and in no way either one of us offended by the name of this new product. Lifes way to short to be hung up on a name.
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Any one that is not into the sport maple sugaring might not be able to place a name with a descriptive item. But if your in the game and someone mentions the name lunch box releaser or lunch box extractor or lunch box vacuum pump you can jump right up off the bench warming activity and tell them what its all about.
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This isn't a vacuum releaser. A vacuum releaser doesn't generate vacuum. This does generate vacuum, but the way it generates vacuum by pushing on a diaphragm doesn't require a separate releaser.

If you think the people buying it are generally too uninformed to know what a diaphragm pump is and why it wouldn't need a releaser... OK whatever - come up with a different name like "sap sucker" or something. It seems like it's hoping that someone knows that there is such a thing as a vacuum releaser and they need one.

A releaser is generally a component separate from your vacuum pump that you can replace independently. This is not.

My first assumption when I heard it was powered by compressed air was that it was a venturi-powered vacuum generator paired with a mini releaser... But a venturi vacuum source can go way higher than 15-20" of vacuum.

I did show it to a friend who is also a hobbiest and one of the first things I had to explain to him was that no, it wasn't really a releaser... But it's a self contained diaphragm pump.

Market it like that and you will attract people who already know that is the style vacuum system that they want because they don't WANT to have to deal with a releaser - they are currently buying bosworth sap guzzlers for around $600 so this is cheaper and take care of some of the concerns about freezing. Buying this and an air compressor is likely cheaper than buying a sap guzzler and will probably have more luck.

Calling this a releaser is like selling a digital refractometer and calling it a digital hydrometer - sure, it's used for the same thing, but it operates on a completely different principle so it's confusing to people.
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Hi Wiam,
The name is meant to be descriptive.
It applies vacuum and releases the sap. Hence vacuum/releaser.

Dean
Looks like a useful product for a small woods. But still not a releaser.
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