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Old March 1st, 2014, 05:36 PM
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I had made an insulated cover for our RO, "heated" with two shop lights. It did the job down to minus 14 (that's the lowest it got at our place). I just bought a couple sheets of foil faced foam insulation board at the hardware store, duct taped it inside and out at all the seams, and made it to the size of the RO so I could just lift the cover off, take the lights and thermometer out, and use the RO. I just stuck a long stemmed thermometer through the side at the lowest (coldest) point so I could check the inside temp whenever I wanted. Lowest it got inside was 37 degrees. Made it through a day long power outage as well. The RO is just inside a not heated garage. It was cheap, and did the job, although I was worried it would not! That's the victory.
The "No Decision" was with a cage tank. I filled it with permeate in the same non-heated garage, put two shop lights on it, and a quilt over the top. One shop light near the spigot/valve, and one on the side. It did make it too, but had an inch crust of ice on the top, and the hose I left connected to the valve had water in it that I didn't drain fully, so it wasn't ready to go until I thawed the hose out with a heater for an hour and a half. I think empty winter storage may be better. OK, I'm understating that! That's the "No Decision" that's really a loss but I didn't want to just come out and say it!
I've tried to attach a pic of the RO cover, just looks like a box really.
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I'm gonna build a cabinet similar to your but with a 2x4 frame. What thickness or r value did you use. I plan on 1" insulation board
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Yeah, I had considered doing it with a 2x4 frame as well. Like to hear and see how yours comes out and works for you. I didn't intentionally make ours really light (weight), but I do like the fact that its real light and easy to put on and take off. And that it worked.
I just used Johns/Mansville insulation board, thickest and best R value they had at the store that day. (Don't remember the exact R value.) These days some heating and cooling folks says that air intrusion and extrusion sealing is more important than actual R value, or equal in importance.
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My cage tanks have heat tape on all the lower pipes and the permeate in line is slanted so no liquid settles in it. I also get a small ice layer in the tank overnight but it breaks apart and melt the next day during rinse cycle. I'm looking for a cement blanket to keep the cold off this year.
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Maplemark, when thawing lines try this, wrap in a rag and pour on hot water. Works faster than anything else i have ever tried.
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Haynes, I don't know what you mean by heat tape. Could mean electric "tape" you plug in and it actually heats whatever you've got it attached to or wrapped around, or could be the actual couple inch wide tape type stuff that insulates whatever you've got it wrapped around? Could you give a bit more info?
I'll give the hot water and cloths treatment a try too if it happens again...hopefully not, but probably will. I'm using clear polybraid hose that tends to curl a bit (not pipes, but may go to that), and obviously the permeate freezes up solid if I'm not attentive to draining completely after use,
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Mark yes its the electric tape I also wrap with foam insulation tape. Now I need to keep checking on the side of the Highway for those rolls of blue foam for foundation sill plates that blow off of supply trucks.
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Mark,
I know, and have seen and used heat tape, but there is even more to the story.
It comes in various lengths or sometimes in bulk, where the user cuts off what he needs and attches a 110 volt cord. Almost all will have a thermostat built in, along with a neon pilot light. Some just spiral wrap the heat-tape around the susceptible pipe and call it good. Most, tho, will cover the tape-wrapped pipe and heat tape with some sort of insulation. Your big box builder store will have heat tape and pipe insulation for the size pipe you are insulating.
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Maple mark this is my outside cage tanks with the drain plumbing heat tape wrapped and then foam. I got the wire right up as close to the tank on the valve side so I don't cavitate the pump with ice blockage.
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Looks good thanks. Also looks like about 700 gallons ready to go! With the freeze up still going strong here I'll have time this week to do some fixes.
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